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New York Knickerbockers

By Patrick Mondout

The Knickerbockers Base Ball Club of New York were the first organized baseball team and the founding members of the National Association of Base Ball Players (NABBP) in the late 1850s.

At a glance...
NEW YORK KNICKERBOCKERS
Club Facts
Established September 23, 1845
Disbanded  1882
Located New York
Uniform
Blue woolen pantaloons, a white
flannel shirt, and straw hats. (1849)
Blue woolen pants, white flannel
shirt, with narrow blue braid, mohair
cap, and belt of patent leather. (1855)
Officials
Duncan F. Curry (President 1845-1846)
William R. Wheaton (Vice President 1845)
William H. Tucker (Secretary 1845,
Treasurer 1846)
Daniel 'Doc' Adams (Vice President 1846,
President 1847-1849 & 1856-57 & 1861)
Alexander Cartwright (Secretary 1846,
Vice President 1847-1848)
Charles Birney (Secretary, 1847)
Alex H. Drummond (Secretary 1847, Vice
President 1851-54, President 1855)
Eugene Plunkett (Secretary 1848-52)
Frayley C. Niebuhr (Treasurer 1848-49,
Vice President 1850, President 1851-54)
Ed W. Talman (Vice President 1849,
President, 1850)
William Bunker (Treasurer 1850)
H.T. Anthony (Treasurer 1851-52,
Vice President 1856-57)
J. Clancy (Secretary 1853)
George A. Brown (Treasurer 1853-55)
James Whyte Davis (Secretary 1854-55 &
1862-1864, Treasurer 1856-57, President
1858-60)
Ebenezer Dupignac (Vice President 1855)
B.K. Brotherson (Secretary 1856)
N.B. McLaughlin (Secretary 1857)
W.A. Woodhull (Treasurer 1857-58)
Alfred Vrendenburgh (Vice President 1858)
Beverly Clarke (Secretary 1858)
Walter T. Avery (Vice President 1859-61,
1864)
James F. Wenman (Secretary 1859-60)
L.J. Belloni, Jr. (Treasurer 1859)
D.B. Keeler, Jr. (Treasurer 1860)
Anson S. Palmer (Secretary 1861)
Henry A. Thomas (Treasurer 1861)
William P. Bensel (President 1862-1864)
Alonzo Slote (Vice President 1862-1863)
Thomas J. O'Brien (Treasurer 1862)
William L. Taylor (Treasurer 1863-64,
President 1865-66)
James E. Vail (Vice President 1865-66)
Thomas Grierson (Secretary 1865)
R.H. Hinsdale (Treasurer 1865-66)
C.A. Righter (Secretary 1866)
Year by Year Results
  W L T
1846  0 1  
1847   (No Matches)
1848   (No Matches)
1849   (No Matches)
1850 (No Matches)
1851   2 0  
1852   (No Matches)
1853   2 0  
1854   2 2 1
1855   3 1  
1856   2 2 1
1857  2 2  
1858  0 3 1
1859  1 3  
1860  0 1  
1861  (No Matches)
1862  (No Matches)
1863  2 1  
1864  0 3  
1865  1 4 1
1866  2 3  
1867  1 2  
1868  3 3  
Affiliations
NABBP (1857-1868)
Pennants
NABBP None
Nicknames
Knickerbocker of New York
Ballparks
Elysian Fields, Hoboken
Knickerbocker Grounds, Hoboken (?-1874)
Hall of Famers
Alexander Cartwright (1938)
Harry Wright (1953)

They were co-founded by Hall of Famer Alexander Cartwright, who has been called the "father of baseball" for apparently being the first to create a set of rules (the Knickerbocker Rules) for playing the game. Indeed, it is hard to see that he made any more of a contribution to the Knickerbockers - or baseball - than that. Alick, as he was nicknamed, is not listed in any of the surviving game logs as ever having played in anything more than a practice game between fellow Knickerbockers and he rose no higher than "vice president" of the club.

See also: National Association of Base Ball Players, 'Early Baseball' FAQs
Knick Rosters/Members, Results of Knickerbocker Games

Others, such as Doc Adams, William Wheaton, and William Tucker, made more lasting contributions, at least to the Knicks, and perhaps to baseball as well. The team is remembered today for the pioneering efforts to popularize and codify baseball and with each passing year, more credit is given to Knickerbockers other than Cartwright as research reveals a more realistic picture of the early days of baseball.

Knickerbocker Rules

We have no way of knowing for sure now which of the Knicks came up with each of the 20 rules that we now call the Knickerbockers Rules, and which are the basis for the "New York game" that has evolved into modern baseball.

The story that has passed down through the years basically suggests that they all sort of occurred to Alick Cartwright and that he wrote them down and presented them to his Knickerbocker teammates, who gave the "new game" a try and eventually decided to adopt those rules.

Some parts to that received wisdom are very likely to be true, other parts - such as the notion that all of these rules were down to Alick - seem a bit far fetched. Indeed, when the Knicks did publish copies of these rules for their members, it was the names William Wheaton and William Tucker - and only those two names - (as members of the Committee on By-Laws) that appeared. Never has it ever been suggested, not even by Bruce Cartwright, Jr., that Alick was miffed by this.

While we are as certain as we can be that they first published baseball rules (at least for baseball as we know it, which means the New York game), it is difficult to say with certainty that any of the rules were truly new and that they had not been in use before they were adopted by the club in September of 1845. There were more than two dozen Knickerbockers. Did they have nothing to contribute? We know from Doc Adams that the Knicks were aware of their next opponent, the New York Club, which itself had played the Brooklyn Club the year before. Were there truly no innovations in those two clubs' rules of play? Apparently the Gods of Baseball only revealed their divine rules through Alick.

While the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, in the absence of evidence to the contrary we give the Knicks generally, and Cartwright specifically, credit for eliminating the "soaking" of runners with the baseball. Soaking was the practice of outing a base-runner by hitting him upside the head (or elsewhere) with the ball. As a least a couple of the Knicks were doctors and all were supposed to be "gentlemen," that change seems inevitable in retrospect, though it overturned many decades of bat and ball game rules and was indeed revolutionary.

Though there are other rules which apparently originate with the Knicks in 1845, this rule change along with the very idea of gentlemen forming a social club in order to play what had been a child's game are the two real accomplishments of the Knickerbockers. Rules of some sort would have been published eventually, but they almost single-handedly made the sport respectable for grown men to play.1

We may never know for sure exactly which member came up with what among the original Knickerbocker 20 rules. That the rules of the NABBP were a refinement of the Knickerbocker Rules, however, is not in doubt, and that makes their publication in 1845 essential to the history of the sport and guarantees their creator(s) immortality in the annals of the sport.

Origins of the Knickerbockers

Members of the team had known each other for years and had played baseball together as early as 1840. They first played ball on empty lots at Madison Square (yes, the future home of Madison Square Garden) on 27th Street and then at Murray Hill at Lexington Avenue and 34th Street, but both lots were soon off limits to them and they soon paid for the right to play ball at the Elysian Fields in Hoboken, New Jersey - already a popular destination for cricketers.

The team was organized on September 23, 1845 and played matches against other New York-area teams as well as games between the clubs own members in the decade prior to the forming of the NABBP. (Read more about the early history of the club down below.)

It has been suggested that the club was so named because of Cartwright's association as a volunteer firefighter with the Knickerbocker Engine Company No. 12, but the name "Knickerbocker" was used for a variety of organizations (a newspaper in the state's capital, for example, was called the Albany Knickerbocker) and no contemporary evidence supports this suggestion.

The Knicks: On the Field

Through November 18 of 1845, the Knickerbockers played at least 14 intramural games. Here is a boxscore for a three inning affair - presumably one of the first ever played under the Knickerbocker Rules, though if so they seem to have ignored the 21 aces rule.

October 6, 1845 at ELYSIAN FIELDS
Cartwright's
Knickerbockers
Curry's
Knickerbockers
PLAYER RUNS PLAYER RUNS
Cartwright 1 Curry 2
Moncrief 1 Neibuhr 3
DeWitt 2 Maltby 1
Tucker 3 Dupignac 2
Smith 0 Turney 2
Birney 0 Clare 0
Broadhead 1 Gourlie 1
TOTAL 8 TOTAL 11


What we today refer to as the first "officially recorded" game between two clubs using the Knickerbocker Rules was actually a four inning, one-side affair between the Knickerbockers and the "New York Club" at the Elysian Fields in Hoboken, New Jersey.2

Whereas the Knickerbockers had apparently created the very rules of the game, you might expect this to be a blowout. It was. The Knicks were trounced 23-1 in just four innings! A cynic might conclude that we give Cartwright and the Knicks a little too much credit for inventing the game and that they might have written down the rules that everyone else was basically following. This might be a bit much to read into a single game, however.

Cartwright's apparent contribution to this particular game came as an umpire. In that capacity, he fined Archibald Gourlie 6 cents for cursing. (Cartwright himself had been fined the same amount for arguing with the umpire during a practice game October 28th of the previous year.)3

Henry Chadwick had yet to "invent" what we might now call a proper boxscore, but we do have the following (which is about all that was reported from games of this era and is based on the contemporary cricket boxscores):

June 19, 1846 at ELYSIAN FIELDS
Knickerbocker New York Nine
PLAYER OUTS RUNS PLAYER OUTS RUNS
Turney 1 0 Davis 1 3
Doc Adams 1 0 Winslow 2 2
Wm. Tucker 2 0 Ransom 2 3
C.H. Birney 1 1 Murphy 0 4
Avery 0 0 Case 0 4
H. Anthony 2 0 Johnson 1 2
D. Anthony 2 0 Thompson 2 2
Tryon 2 0 Trenchard 2 1
Paulding 1 0 Lalor 2 2
TOTAL 12 1 TOTAL 12 23

 

The Knickerbockers adopted the first baseball uniform at a meeting on April 24, 1849 - two weeks after their fifth annual meeting. It consisted of blue woolen pantaloons, a white flannel shirt, and straw hats. While they eventually lost the straw hats, blue and white remained the Knicks colors throughout their history.4

If you are wondering who the Knickerbockers played against from 1847-1850, the answer - straight from the club's records that are now housed at the New York Public Library - is themselves. Thus an 1851 game against the Washington club (which later consolidated with the newly-formed Gothams), was their first game against another club since October of 1846.

The Knicks continued to play matches against the Gothams and other New York clubs (as they sprouted up), and it was their rules that were the basis for the constitution of what would eventually be called the National Association of Base Ball Players, the first national baseball organization.

It should be noted that clubs of this era - which had dozens (and sometimes more) members - tended to be more about organized exercise and social gathering than about competitiveness. Contemporary articles from the 1860s make it clear the Knicks did not place as much emphasis on winning as other clubs and did not look to replace their ageing veterans with younger players from junior clubs. The March 14, 1864 Brooklyn Eagle lamented, "...Look at the Knickerbocker of New York how it has declined in position as a playing club, and all because it refused to revive itself with young blood. Years since we suggested to the Senior organizations that they create and foster Junior clubs named after themselves and kept alive by their exertions. In 1862 the Gotham and Mutual clubs adopted the plan, and this year they will draw upon their young players for assistance..."

They may not have been competitive, but they still commanded respect. A May 13, 1866 article in the New York Times points out, "although they play merely for social enjoyment, and do not engage in the exciting contests for the championship, the Knickerbockers possess some excellent material."

The team remained an amateur team - even as others began to break the rules and attract better talent through under-the-table payments. The gradual and inevitable shift in the NABBP towards professionalism has been attributed by many to the Knickerbockers eventually leaving the organization (that they helped found) following the 1868 season. The later joined the the "new" amateur association in 1871, but like that organization itself, slowly faded away; both had become anachronisms in an age of "revolving" professionals.

While the Knickerbockers did not win any championships (nor is there any evidence that it ever really was their primary goal) and while Alexander Cartwright's contributions may not be quite as large as they once seemed (which means his teammates should share more of the glory), the team itself has a unique place in baseball history that will be passed down for as long as humans care about what was once our National Pastime. Indeed, the Knickerbocker team should itself be enshrined in the Baseball Hall of Fame.

 

Knickerbockers

A contemporary (1858) print featuring the Knickerbockers and Excelsiors.


Games of 1851

June 3.— The second match of the Club was played with the Washington Club, at the Red House, Harlem, and was won by the Knickerbockers, 21 aces to 11.
June 17.— The return match was played at the Elysian Fields, on the 17th of June, 1851. 10 innings (Boxscore)
Umpire for Knickerbocker, G.A. Brown. Umpire for Washington, J. Murphy. J. Hone, Referee. (Boxscore)

 

(No Knickerbocker matches for 1852.)

 

Games of 1853

July 1.— A match was played at Elysian fields with the Gotham Club, but it was postponed due to a storm after but two innings were played, the Gothams making two runs, and the Knickerbockers making nine runs. The match was concluded on the 5th of July. Knickerbocker, twenty-one runs; Gotham, twelve runs. Hone, Umpire for Gothams; Brown, Umpire for Knickerbockers; Curry of Knickerbockers, Referee. (Boxscore)
October 14.— The return match was played at the Red House, terminating in a victory for the Knickerbockers. Knickerbocker, twenty-one runs; Gotham, fourteen runs. (Boxscore)

Games of 1854

June 30.— The Knickerbockers played with the Gothams, at the Red House, Harlem, the game occupying three hours. Sixteen innings were played before the twenty one aces were made. Knickerbocker, sixteen; Gotham, twenty-one. Wm. G. Tucker, of Gotham, Referee.
September 20.— The return match was played with the Gotham Club at the Elysian Fields, occupying two and a quarter hours, with nine innings; Knickerbockers, twenty-four; Gothams, thirteen. Wm. Cotheal, of Eagle Club, Referee.
October 26.— One of the most exciting and interesting games ever played was the closing one for 1854, at the Red House, Harlem, occupying two hours, with twelve innings and twelve run each, which could not he concluded for want of daylight. Knickerbocker, twelve; Gotham twelve. Umpire for Knickerbocker, G.A. Brown; Umpire for Gotham, G. Vancott; Armfield, of the Eagle Club, Referee. (Boxscore)
November 10.— The first match with the Eagle Club was played at Hoboken, barring six of the first nine of the Knickerbockers; five innings were played in one hour. Eagles scored twenty-one runs, and Knickerbockers, four runs. A. H. Drummond Umpire for Knickerbockers; John W. Mott, Umpire for Eagles; W. H. Vancott, of Gothams Referee.
November 17.— The return match with the Eagles was played at Hoboken in one hour and a half; five innings played; Eagles scored twenty-two runs and Knickerbocker twenty-one runs. A.H. Drummond, Umpire for Knickerbockers; John W. Mott, Umpire for Eagles; T.G. Vancott, of Gothams, Referee.

Games of 1855

June 1.— Played with the Gotham Club, at Red House, Harlem, the game occupying 2 1/4 hours with 11 innings. Gothams, 21 runs; Knickerbockers, 12 runs. Wm. F. Ladd, Umpire for Knickerbockers; John Hone, Umpire for Gothams, Armfield, of Eagle Club Referee.
June 5.— Played with the Eagle Club, at Hoboken. Time, 1 1/4 hours, I innings. Eagles, 14 runs. Knickerbockers, 27 runs. W.F. Ladd, Umpire for Knickerbockers; J.W. Mutt, Umpire for Eagles. W.H. Van Cott, of Gothams, Referee.
September 13.— Played with the Gotham Club, at the Elysian Fields Hoboken; time 1/4 hours, with 5 innings. Knickerbockers, 22 runs. Gothams, 7 runs. A.H. Drummond, of Knickerbockers, Umpire; John Hone, of Gothams, Umpire. Armfield, of Eagles Referee.
September 20.— Played with the Eagle Club at the Elysian Fields; time 1 1/4 hours, 6 innings. Knickerbockers, 21 runs. Eagles, 10 runs. A.H. Drummond, Umpire for Knickerbockers; J.W. Mott, Umpire for Eagles. 0. Van Con, of Gothams, Referee.

Games of 1856

May 22.— The married of the Knicks played against the single of the same (this was common in the 1850s), 6 innings; the Bachelor winning by a score of 23 to 21.
August 30.— A very interesting match was played at Hoboken, with the Empire Club, occupying 3 1/4 hours, with 8 innings, resulting in a tie, both clubs scoring 21 runs. T.G. Voorhis, Umpire for Empires; G.A. Brown, Umpire for Knickerbockers. T.G. Van Cott, of Gothams, Referee.
September 5.— The last match was played with the Gotham Club, at the Red House, Harlem; 7 innings; the Gothams winning by a score of 21 to 7. D.F. Curry, Umpire for Knickerbockers; G. Van Cott, Umpire for Gothams. A.J. Bixby, of Eagles, Referee.
September 19.— Played with the Eagle Club, at Hoboken; 3 innings; Eagles winning by a score of 24 to 17. Umpires: A. H. Drummond, of Knickerbockers, and J. W. Mott, of Eagles. C. Sniffin, of Atlantic, Referee.
September 25.— Played with the Empire Club, at Hoboken, with 7 innings, the Knickerbockers winning by a score of 21 to 12. W. H. Grenelle, Umpire for
Knickerbockers; T.G. Voorhis, Umpire for Empire. M. E. Gelston, of Eagles, Referee.
October 9.— Played with the Eagle Club, at Hoboken; 6 innings; the Eagles winning by a score of 21 to 10. W. H. Grenelle, Umpire for Knickerbockers; J.W. Mott, Umpire for Eagles. A. D. Teed, of Gothams, Referee.

Games of 1857

June 8.— Played with the Eagle Club at Hoboken; five innings; resulting in a victory for the Eagles by a score of twenty-five to seventeen. John W. Mott, Umpire for Eagles; H.T. Anthony, Umpire for Knickerbockers; A. D. Teed, of Gothams, Referee. This was the first season that the rules required the playing of nine innings; but a game might be decided at the end of five. Rain prevented the playing of nine innings on this occasion.
June 24.— Played with the Empire Club; nine innings; the Knickerbockers winning by a score of thirty-seven to twenty-three. William H. Grenelle, Umpire for the Knickerbockers: T.G. Voorhis, Umpire for the Empires; M.E. Gelston, of Eagles, Referee.
September 10.— Played with the Empire Club nine innings; the Empires winning by a score of twenty-eight to seventeen. William H. Grenelle, Umpire for the Knickerbockers: Bloomfield, Umpire for Empires; A. J. Bixby, of Eagle Club; Referee.
September 15.— Played with the Eagle Club; nine innings; the Knickerbockers winning by a score of eighteen to seventeen. John W. Mott, umpire for Eagles; W. H. Grenelle, Umpire for Knickerbockers; Hoyt, of Empire, Referee.

Games of 1858

July 8.— The first game was played with the Excelsior Club, of South Brooklyn, on their grounds near Carroll Park, with whom the most cordial relations have ever since existed. Excelsior 31 runs; Knickerbocker, 13; nine innings. F. S. Wells, Scorer for Excelsiors; W. A. Woodhull, Scorer for Knickerbockers. S. Yates, of Eagle Club, Umpire. After the game the Excelsiors escorted the Knickerbockers to Montague Hall, where a fine entertainment awaited them.
July 29.— Played with the Eagle Club at Hoboken nine innings; won by the Eagle, whose score was 45 to 18. John Grum, of Eckfords, Umpire.
August 20.— The return match was played with the Excelsior Club on the grounds of the Gotham Club, at Elysian Fields, which was one of the finest games ever played; the score standing, at the end of nine innings, 15, to 14 in favor of the Excelsiors. After the close of this match, the Excelsior Club was escorted to Odd Fellows' Hall, Hoboken, by the Knickerbocker Club, and entertained in splendid style, covers being laid for over two hundred gentlemen. Dodworth's Band was in attendance to enliven the scene, and all the arrangements were exceedingly creditable to the taste and liberality of the committee who had charge of the festive occasion.
September 22.— The home-and-home match with the Empire Club occurred at Hoboken; the game was closed on the eighth innings, on account of darkness, resulting in a score of 21 runs each.


The 1859 Knickerbocker Base Ball Club of New York.

Games of 1859

June 30.— First fly game with Excelsiors, at Hoboken. Time, two hours; Excelsiors, 26; Knickerbocker, 22. A. J. Bixby, of Eagle Club, Umpire.
August 2.—Return game on the fly on Excelsior grounds, South Brooklyn. Time, one hour forty-five minutes; Excelsiors, 20; Knickerbockers, 5. Peter O'Brien, of Atlantic Club, Umpire.
August 11.—Match with Empire Club, on the fly, at Hoboken. Time, three hours. Knickerbockers, 60; Empire, 33. A. J. Bixby, of Eagle, Umpire.
August 22Muffin match with Excelsiors, on the fly, on their grounds, foot of Court street, Brooklyn. Time, three hours. Excelsiors, 41; Knickerbockers, 37; seven innings.
September 12.— Return Muffin match with the Excelsiors, on the fly, at Hoboken. A. G. Pearsall, of Excelsiors, Umpire. Excelsiors, 56; Knickerbockers, 47.
September 26.— First and only game with the Star Club (Juniors), at Hoboken. Star, 33; Knickerbockers, 11. A. J. Bixby, of Eagles, Umpire.

Games of 1860

August 25Fly game with Excelsiors, on their grounds, Brooklyn. Time, three hours thirty-five minutes. Excelsiors, 32; Knickerbockers, 9. Burtis, of Gotham, Umpire.

 

(No Knickerbocker matches for 1861-62 - the early years of the Civil War.)

 

Games of 1863

September 3.— Friendly game with die Excelsior Club at Hoboken. Knickerbocker, 22; Excelsior, 20. Henry L. Slote, Scorer for both clubs; Alonzo Slote, of Knickerbockers, Umpire.
September 22.— The return game was played on the Excelsiors ground. Knickerbockers, 56; Excelsiors, 45.
October 12.— A third of these friendly series was played at Hoboken. Excelsiors, 42; Knickerbockers, 13. H. Chadwick, scorer for both clubs; Thomas Dakin, of Excelsiors, Umpire.

Games of 1864

July 11.— A friendly game was played with the Excelsiors at Hoboken; time, two hours fifteen minutes. Excelsiors, 36; Knickerbockers, 27. H.P. Boswick, of Excelsiors, Umpire.
July 21 .— A Friendly game played with the Excelsiors, on the ground at Brooklyn. Excelsiors, 85; Knickerbockers, 39.
September 22.— The last of these friendly games for the season was played at Hoboken. Excelsiors, 53; Knickerbockers, 48. W.H. Young, of Excelsiors, Umpire.

Games of 1865

July 6.— A friendly game was played with the Excelsiors at Hoboken, with eleven innings, Excelsiors, 29; Knickerbockers, 25.
July 25.— A friendly game with the Excelsiors at Capitoline ground, Brooklyn. Excelsiors, 60; Knickerbockers, 45.
August 17.— Played with the New York Club, at Sixty-fifth street. New York, 58; Knickerbockers, 13.
September 11.— Played with the Greenburgh Club (of Dobbs' Ferry), at Hoboken. Greenburgh, 26; Knickerbockers, 23. Isaac Evans, of Mutual, Umpire.
September 21.— A friendly game with the Excelsiors at Hoboken. Time, one hour forty-five minutes. Knickerbockers, 22; Excelsiors, 17.
October 5.— Played a match with the New York Club at Hoboken., New York, 28; Knickerbockers, 11.
October 20.— Played a match with the Eclectic club, resulting in a tie, score of thirty-one runs each, seven innings.

Games of 1866

May 25.—Played a friendly game with the Excelsiors at the Capitoline Grounds, Brooklyn. Excelsiors, 56; Knickerbockers, 42.
June 4.—The return friendly game was played at Hoboken. Excelsiors, 27; Knickerbockers, 39. M. Humphrey, of Eclectic, Umpire.
July 14.— Played a friendly game with the Palisade Club at Englewood; Knickerbocker, 39; Palisade, 17.
August 30.—The return game with the Palisade Club was played at Hoboken. Palisade, 37; Knickerbockers, 28.
September 29.— The third game with the Palisade Club was played at Englewood, N.J. Time, two hours thirty-five minutes. Palisade, 42; Knickerbockers, 27.

Games of 1867

July 17.— Lost to the Empire Club 41 to 26.
July 22.— Beat the Excelsior of Brooklyn 49 to 41. Mr. Duval of the Excelsiors, Umpire.
October 31.— Lost the return game to the Empires by a score of 51-21.

Games of 1868

July 9.—Beat the Unique Club of Staten Island 40-34.
August 25.—The Eagle Club won the match with the Knickerbockers 41-13.
September 5.—Played a friendly game with the Excelsiors; Knickerbockers 51; Excelsiors 25.
September 21.—The return match with the Eagles was played. Eagles 25; Knickerbockers 4.
October 15.—The return friendly game with the Excelsiors was played; Knickerbockers 36; Excelsiors 27.
October 29.—The third friendly game with the Excelsiors was played with the latter taking it and the series with a 38-25 score.

Peverelly's Early History of the Knicks

Here is Charles Peverelly's 1866 look at the early history of the Knicks. Sadly, he does not cite his sources for this information.

"During the years of the 1842 and '43, a number of gentlemen, fond of the game, casually assembled on a plot of ground in Twenty-seventh street—the one now occupied by the Harlem Railroad Depot, bringing with them their bats, halls, etc. It was customary for two or three players, occasionally during the season, to go around in the forenoon of a pleasant day and muster up players enough to make a match. The march of improvement made a "change of base' necessary, and the following year they met at the next most convenient place, the north slope of Murray Hill, between the railroad cut and Third avenue. Among the prominent players were Col. James Lee, Dr. Ransom, Abraham Tucker, James Fisher, and W. Vail, the latter better known in later years of the Gotham Club, as "Stay-where-you-am-Wail." In the spring of 1845 Mr. Alex Cartwright, who had become an enthusiast in the game, one day upon the field proposed a regular organization, promising to obtain several recruits. His proposal was acceded to, and Messrs. W.R. Wheaton, Cartwright, D.F. Curry, E.R. Dupignac, Jr., and W.H. Tucker, formed themselves into a hoard of recruiting officers, and soon obtained names enough to make a respectable show. At a preliminary meeting, it was suggested that as it was apparent they would soon he driven from Murray Hill, some suitable place should be obtained in New Jersey, where their stay could be permanent; accordingly, a day or two afterwards, enough to make a game assembled at Barclay street ferry, crossed over, marched up the road, prospecting for ground on each side, until they reached the Elysian Fields, where they "settled." Thus it occurred that a party of gentlemen formed an organization, combining together health, recreation, and social enjoyment, which was the nucleus of the now great American game of Base Ball, so popular in all parts of the United States, than which there is none more manly or more health giving.

The parent Knickerbockers claim for themselves the original organization, from the succeeding clubs derived their rules of playing, and which was always ready to foster, encourage, and promote the pleasure of all who were desirous of enjoying the game. Its members have from its inception been composed mostly of those sedentary habits required recreation, and its respectability has ever been undoubted. The same standard still exists, and no person can obtain admission in the club merely for his capacity as a player; he must also have the reputation of a gentleman; and hence arises one of the causes of its not being what is called a match-playing club."

Yearly Meetings (from Peverelly)

Here is an edited (so as not to repeat information from above) version of his Knickerbocker meeting-by-meeting listing.

"At a meeting held at Mc Carty's Hotel, Elysian Fields, May 5, 1846, the officers were elected for the year (officers, with the exception of directors, are listed near the top of the page on the right are will not be relisted here).

On June 5, 1846, the first honorary members were elected, viz. James Lee and Abraham Tucker. At the same meeting Curry, Adams and Tucker were appointed a committee to arrange the preliminaries, and conclude a match with the New York Base Ball Club. From all the information the writer has been able to gather, it appears that this was not an organized club, but merely a party of gentlemen who played together frequently, and styled themselves the New York Club. However, the match was played at Hoboken on June 19, 1846 (see boxscore above), it being the first the Club engaged in.

At a meeting held at McLean's Hotel, 54 Walker street, November 7, 1846, a resolution was passed authorizing a present to Mr. McCarty of ten dollars. It would appear by this that no sum was paid for the use of the ground at Hoboken. At the same meeting a committee was appointed to provide a grand dinner at the end of the season, to take place on the 26th of November.

The third annual meeting was held at McLean's Hotel, 54 Walker street, April, 1847.

The fourth annual meeting was held at "Schwartz's" Hotel, 14 Dey street, on the 1st of April, 1848. The rule was adopted, that the player running to the first base was out, if the ball was held by an adversary on that base before the runner reached it. The previous rule applied to all the bases. The directors elected for 1848, were: A.H. Drummond, B.C. Lee, Wm. H. Tucker.

At a meeting held Nov. 17, 1848, a resolution was passed, that the annual dinner be given on the 30th of November.

The fifth annual meeting was held at Abell's, 474 Broadway, on the 7th of April, 1849. The directors elected for the year, were: E.R. Dupignac, A.H. Drummond, B.C. Lee.

The annual meeting for 1850, was held on the 6th of April, at Smith's, 35 Howard street. The resignation of W. H. Tucker was received with deep regret. He was one of the founders of the institution, always evincing a lively interest in its welfare. The following directors were elected: A.H. Drummond, B.C. Lee, James Moncrief.

During the year 1850, twelve members were elected, and Charles S. DeBost was one of the number, having been reelected. His name in the annals of Base Ball will always be remembered with pleasure. He was very active and full of good-humor, always creating much amusement upon the hall field; as a catcher he held the first rank for many years, and it may he asserted that he has never had a superior in that position.

It was in September of that year James Whyte Davis was elected, and who has been a continuous member to the present date, and the only one of the old members that remains upon its roll. This gentleman is yet an active player, and evinces the same interest and retains the same desire for the sport that he has for the last sixteen years.

The annual meeting for 1851 was held at Smith's, 35 Howard street, on the 5th April. The following directors were elected: Geo. Brown, Wm. L. Tatman.

The annual dinner of the Club took place at Sinclair's, corner Broadway and Eighth street, on the 25th of November.

The annual meeting for 1852 was held at Smith's, 35 Howard street, on the 3d of April. The following directors were elected: D.L. Adams, Peter S. Henderson.

The following members celebrated the 4th of July, 1852, by proceeding to Bath, Long Island, on the 5th of July to enjoy dinner and a game of ball: Adams, Davis, Curry, DeBost, McDonald, Ladd, Greenleaf, Dick, Clancy, Stevens, Brotherson, Dillon, Murray and Birney.

The annual meeting for 1853, was held at Smith's, 25 Howard street in April; the following directors were elected: D.L. Adams, E. H. Birdsall, C.S. De Bost.

At a meeting held November 19,1853, a communication was received from the Eagle Club, asking for a committee to join them in arranging a set of rules for playing, and Dr. Adams, Curry and Tucker were appointed.

The annual meeting, for 1854, was held at Smith's, 35 Howard street, on the 1st of April. The committee on rules presented the following as having been arranged to govern the three clubs:. The Knickerbockers, Gotham and Eagle. (Those rules are here.)

The directors elected for the year 1854, were:  D.L. Adams, C.S. De Bost, and W.F. Ladd.

In May of 1854 Mr. Samuel H. Kissam was elected. He has been a continuous member to the present time; one of the very few left of the old members, and who has been one of the most active and attentive, and still retains his love of the sport and attachment to the old club.

A grand dinner was given on the 15th of December, at Fijux's 11 Barclay street, by the Knickerbocker, Eagle and Gotham Clubs. An equal delegation was present, and an excellent hill of fare presented. The utmost hilarity prevailed, and everything passed off in a happy manner.

The annual meeting for 1855 was held on the 7th of April. The following directors were elected for the year: D. L. Adams, C. S. De Bust, Wm. B Eager, Jr.

The annual meeting for 1856 was held on the 5th of April. The directors elected for the season were: Wm. B. Eager, Jr., Wm. F. Ladd, and R.F. Stevens.

At a meeting held at Smith's, 462 Broome street, on the 6th of December, the President stated that the object to he the propriety of altering the By-Laws, and of calling a general Base Ball Convention. This seems to he the first step which originated the present "National Association of Base Ball Players." Mr. Davis offered the following resolution, which was carried. "That Messrs. Adams, Grenelle, and Wadsworth be appointed a committee on the part of the Club to call a convention of the various Base Ball Clubs of this city and vicinity." Mr. Wadsworth moved the above resolution be published in Porter's Spirit of the Times, and the Sunday Mercury, together with the following:

'Pursuant to the above resolution the various Base Ball Clubs of this city and vicinity are requested each to select three representatives to meet at 462 Broome street, in  the city of New York, on Thursday the 22d day of January next, at half-past seven o-clock P.M.'

A special meeting was held at Smith's, 462 Broome street, on March 7, 1857, for the purpose of adopting the new rules. Dr. Adams reported from the Base Ball Convention Committee, presenting the rules and regulations adopted by that body. Mr. Davis moved, "that we accept the reports of the committee, and that we also accept the rules of the game as adopted by that body, only so far as to govern this club in playing matches with other clubs," which was carried. The rules adopted by said convention included the one of catching the ball on the bound, which the Knickerbocker Club did not conform to "except for matches with other clubs." The "fly" game was originated by James Whyte Davis, who worked hard to induce the Knickerbockers to adopt it, and finally succeeded. Repeated attempts were made in later years to pass the same in convention, and the "fly " game rule was adopted at the meeting of 1865.

The annual meeting for 1857 was held on April 4. The following were elected directors for the year: F.C. Niebuhr, W.H. Grenelle, and William H. Tucker.

At a meeting, held June 1, Mr. W.A. Woodhull was elected Treasurer in place of J. W. Davis, declined. William F. Ladd was elected honorary member. Walter Avery, one of the first members of the Club, was reelected, and still remains upon the roll, one of its active members.

At a meeting held January 30, 1858, at Fijux's, a communication was received from the Empire Club requesting the Knickerbockers to call a convention of all regular organized Base Ball Clubs, and the President was empowered to confer with the other presidents in the matter.

At a meeting held February 27, 1858, Messrs. D. L. Adams and W.H. Grenelle were appointed delegates to the first convention of Base Ball Clubs, to be held on the 10th of March, 1858, and the following clubs represented by two delegates each: Knickerbocker, Gotham, Eagle, Empire, Putnam, Baltic, Excelsior, Atlantic, Harlem, Eckford, Continental, Union, Metropolitan, Columbian, Osceola, Oriental, Stuyvesant, Hamilton, Pastime, Liberty (of New Brunswick), Monument, Amity, St. Nicholas, Nassau and Mutual. A resolution was adopted declaring the Convention a permanent organization, and a committee of three was appointed to prepare and submit a Constitution and By-Laws. The committee reported, adopted the same, and the "National Association of Base Ball Players" was duly organized thereunder. The first annual meeting was held at Cooper Institute on the 9th of March, 1859.

The annual meeting for 1858 was held on the 3d of April. The directors elected for the year were: N.M. Welling and Wm. H. Tucker."

Known New York Knickerbocker Members
1845
Duncan Curry Johnson
Frayley Neibuhr Alick Cartwright
J.W. O'Brien Turney
Drummond David W. Smith
Hart Turk
Bogart Charles Birney
James Moncrief W. O'Brien
Eb. Dupignac W. Wheaton
George Broadhead Morgan
Peter DeWitt, Jr. I. O'Brien
Charles Debost Cone
Ed Talman Jones